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I N THE UNI TED STATES DI STRI CT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DI STRI CT OF CALI FORNI A
AMERI CAN NEWS AND I NFORMATI ONSERVI CES, I NC. , a Connect i cut
Cor por at i on; EDWARD A. PERUTA;and J AMES C. PLAYFORD, Pl ai nt i f f s, vs. No. 12- cv- 2186- BEN( KSC)WI LLI AM D. GORE, i ndi vi dual l y andi n hi s of f i ci al capaci t y asSan Di ego Count y Sher i f f ; J ANCALDWELL, i ndi vi dual l y and i n herof f i c i al capaci t y as San Di egoCount y Sher i f f ' s Depar t mentPubl i c Af f ai r s Di r ect or ; THOMASSEI VER, San Di ego Count ySher i f f ' s Depar t ment Deput y,i ndi vi dual l y; BRENDAN COOK,San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' sDepar t ment Deput y, i ndi vi dual l y;
J ESSE ALLENSWORTH, San Di egoCount y Sher i f f ' s Depar t mentDeput y, i ndi vi dual l y; J AMESBRENEMAN, San Di ego Count ySher i f f ' s Depar t ment Deput y,i ndi vi dual l y; MI CHAEL PROCTOR,San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s
Depar t ment Deput y, i ndi vi dual l y; J OHN DOE 1- 10; San Di ego Count ySher i f f ' s Depar t ment ; WI LLI AMLANSDOWNE, i ndi vi dual l y and i nhi s of f i ci al capaci t y asSan Di ego Pol i ce Chi ef ; J OHN DOE1- 10; San Di ego Pol i ceDepar t ment ; and BONNI E DUMANI S,i ndi vi dual l y and i n her of f i ci alcapaci t y as San Di ego Count yDi st r i ct At t or ney; J OHN DOE 1- 10;San Di ego Count y Di st r i ctAt t or ney' s Of f i ce, i ndi vi dual l y,
Def endant s. __________________________/
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1 I N D E X2 Deposi t i on of J AN CALDWELL
Mar ch 16, 201634 EXAMI NATI ON PAGE5 BY MS. BAI RD 5678 I NDEX OF EXHI BI TS9 FOR PLAI NTI FFS' : MARKED
10 Exhi bi t 1 San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s 45 Depar t ment Medi a Gui de
11 Exhi bi t 2 409. 5 Aut hor i t y of Peace 47
12 Of f i cer s, Li f eguar d or Mar i ne Saf et y
13 Exhi bi t 3 Def endant s I ni t i al Di scl osur es 92
14 Pur suant t o Feder al Rul es of Ci vi l Pr ocedur e
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Exhi bi t 4 Medi a Cr edent i al s of Ed Bai er 10516 Exhi bi t 5 Medi a Cr edent i al s of Ed Bai er 107
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1 On Mar ch 16, 2016, commenci ng at t he hour of 2 10: 20 a. m. , at Of f i ce of Count y Counsel , 1600 Paci f i c3 Hi ghway, Room 355, i n t he Ci t y of San Di ego, Count y of 4 San Di ego, St at e of Cal i f or ni a, bef or e me, Pat r i ci a M.5 Beck, Cer t i f i ed Shor t hand Repor t er , i n and f or t he6 St at e of Cal i f or ni a, per sonal l y appeared:7 J AN CALDWELL,8 cal l ed as a wi t ness by t he Pl ai nt i f f s , who, bei ng by9 me f i r st dul y swor n, was t her eupon exami ned and
10 t est i f i ed i n sai d cause.11
12 A P P E A R A N C E S13 FOR PLAI NTI FFS:14 RACHEL M. BAI RD & ASSOCI ATE
BY: RACHEL M. BAI RD, ESQ.15 15 Bur l i ngt on Road
Harwi nt on, Connect i cut 0679116 ( 860) 605- 934017
18 FOR DEFENDANTS:19 COUNTY OF SAN DI EGO
OFFI CE OF COUNTY COUNSEL20 BY: J AMES M. CHAPI N, ESQ.
1600 Paci f i c Hi ghway, Room 35521 San Di ego, Cal i f or ni a 92101
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1 SAN DI EGO, CALI FORNI A; MARCH 16, 2016; 10: 20 A. M. ,
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3 J AN CALDWELL,
4 havi ng been f i r s t dul y sworn, t es t i f i ed as f ol l ows :5
6 EXAMI NATI ON
7 BY MS. BAI RD:
8 Q. Good mor ni ng, Ms. Cal dwel l . How ar e you?
9 A. Ver y wel l .
10 Q. I i nt r oduced mysel f when you came t o t he
11 r oom. I ' m Rachel Bai r d, and I r epr esent J ames C.
12 Pl ayf or d i n t hi s case of Amer i can News ver sus Sher i f f
13 Gor e.
14 A. Uh- huh.
15 Q. Have you been deposed bef or e?
16 A. I have.
17 Q. About how many t i mes?18 A. Once t hat I can t hi nk of .
19 Q. So maybe you' r e not as f ami l i ar wi t h t he
20 pr ocess as I t hought . I f you have any quest i ons, i f
21 somet hi ng I ask i s not cl ear , don' t hesi t at e t o ask me
22 t o cl ar i f y and I ' l l do so. I f you need a br eak,
23 si mpl y ask. Your counsel i s her e. I f you have any
24 quest i ons, he' s r i ght t her e f or you, as I assume he' s
25 t ol d you al r eady.
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1 A. Uh- huh.
2 Q. Any i ssue t hat comes up, j ust br i ng i t up.
3 I ' l l put i t t hat way.
4 A. Al l r i ght . Thank you.5 Q. So your t i t l e wi t h t he San Di ego Count y
6 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment i s publ i c i nf or mat i on di r ect or ?
7 A. Medi a r el at i ons di r ect or. I ' m t he publ i c
8 i nf or mat i on of f i cer .
9 Q. Because I ' ve seen i t put a coupl e of
10 di f f er ent ways. But t he of f i ci al t i t l e i s publ i c
11 i nf or mat i on of f i cer , s l ash, medi a di r ect or , or t he
12 ot her way ar ound, per haps?
13 A. Ei t her way.
14 Q. How l ong have you hel d t hat posi t i on?
15 A. A l i t t l e over ni ne year s . I t wi l l be t en
16 years t hi s Oct ober 13t h.
17 Q. Has i t al ways been cal l ed t he same t hi ng,18 publ i c i nf ormat i on of f i cer , s l ash, medi a di rect or?
19 A. I bel i eve i t became medi a di r ect or af t er I
20 ar r i ved.
21 Q. Have your dut i es been pr i mar i l y t he same i n
22 t he pas t near l y t en year s?
23 A. They' ve evol ved, i n t hat I have mor e
24 empl oyees. We' ve gr own wi t h soci al medi a, and we have
25 a vi deo pr oduct i on uni t now.
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1 Q. So when you came on boar d, had you been
2 empl oyed pr evi ousl y by t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s
3 Depar t ment ?
4 A. No.5 Q. So i t was somewhat of a hi r e f r om out si de.
6 You came f r om anot her agency or anot her empl oyment ?
7 A. Cor rect .
8 Q. What empl oyment was t hat ?
9 A. I was a speci al agent wi t h t he Feder al
10 Bureau of I nves t i gat i on.
11 Q. How l ong di d you do t hat ?
12 A. I was wi t h t he FBI f or 32 year s .
13 Q. I s i t f ai r t o say you r et i r ed f r om t he FBI ?
14 A. I t i s cor r ect .
15 Q. Di d your j ob dut i es wi t h t he FBI have t o do
16 wi t h medi a r el at i ons or publ i c i nf or mat i on?
17 A. The l ast 13 year s I was wi t h t he Bur eau wer e18 medi a r el at ed. Bef or e t hat , I wor ked ot her cr i mi nal
19 mat t er s.
20 Q. I f or got t o ask you. Have you ever
21 t est i f i ed i n cour t ?
22 A. Yes, I have.
23 Q. How many t i mes have you done t hat ?
24 A. I don' t know i f I coul d gi ve you - -
25 Q. Fai r enough. So, many t i mes you' ve
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1 t est i f i ed i n cour t ?
2 A. I have t est i f i ed.
3 Q. What wer e your j ob dut i es t hen dur i ng your
4 l ast 13 year s wi t h t he FBI ?5 A. They cal l t hem medi a r epr esent at i ve. I t ' s
6 basi cal l y a publ i c i nf or mat i on of f i cer f or t he
7 di vi si on wher e you' r e assi gned. I was assi gned her e
8 i n San Di ego.
9 Q. Wer e you head of t hat di vi si on?
10 A. No. I was j ust t he PI O.
11 Q. So i n t he medi a di vi si on of t he FBI t hat
12 was l ocat ed i n San Di ego, t her e wer e a number of
13 empl oyees, i t ' s f ai r t o say?
14 A. No.
15 Q. J ust you?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Got i t . How di d you go about obt ai ni ng18 empl oyment wi t h t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s
19 Depar t ment ? Di d you submi t an appl i cat i on?
20 A. No.
21 Q. Was t her e an openi ng?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Was i t a newl y creat ed posi t i on?
24 A. No.
25 Q. Who was sher i f f at t he t i me appr oxi mat el y
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1 t en year s ago, a l i t t l e l ess than t en year s ago when
2 you got t he posi t i on?
3 A. Bi l l Kol ender .
4 Q. Had you known hi m pr evi ousl y?5 A. I had met hi m.
6 Q. And how l ong di d you wor k f or - - i s i t
7 Kal mer , Bi l l Kal mer ? I ' m not sur e I hear d you say t he
8 name r i ght .
9 A. Kol ender .
10 Q. How l ong di d you wor k f or Sher i f f Kol ender ?
11 A. He r et i r ed I bel i eve i n 2009. Don' t hol d me
12 t o t hat . I bel i eve i t was 2009.
13 Q. Af t er he l ef t , i s i t f ai r t o say t hat
14 Sher i f f Wi l l i am Gor e t ook hi s pl ace?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. Had you known Sher i f f Gor e pr evi ousl y?
17 A. Yes.18 Q. How di d you know hi m?
19 A. I knew hi m t hr ough my empl oyment at t he FBI .
20 I knew hi m per sonal l y as I was mar r i ed t o hi s cousi n.
21 Q. And t he empl oyment t hr ough t he FBI , was t hat
22 when you wer e l ocat ed i n San Di ego?
23 A. Pr i mar i l y. But I knew Mr . Gor e when he was
24 assi st ant di r ector and a speci al agent i n char ge of
25 Honol ul u.
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1 Q. How l ong, si t t i ng her e t oday, woul d you say
2 you' ve known Sher i f f Gor e?
3 A. I bel i eve s i nce around 1976.
4 Q. I t ' s 2016. He came on boar d i n 2009.5 That ' s seven year s. So you wor ked f or Sher i f f
6 Kol ender f or about t hr ee year s and t hen f or Sher i f f
7 Gor e f or about al most seven year s; i s t hat accur at e?
8 A. That ' s accur at e. But Sher i f f Gor e was
9 under s her i f f , so I r epor t ed t o hi m di r ect l y.
10 Q. Okay. Fai r enough. Who do you r epor t t o
11 di r ect l y now?
12 A. Under sher i f f Mark El vi n.
13 Q. How l ong have you r epor t ed t o hi m?
14 A. Under sher i f f El vi n was assi gned t her e,
15 pr omot ed t her e l ast I bel i eve Sept ember .
16 Q. And pr i or t o hi s pr omot i on, who di d you
17 r epor t t o?18 A. Under sher i f f Prendergas t .
19 Q. Pr i or t o Under sher i f f Pr ender gas t?
20 A. J i m Cooke, C- o- o- k- e.
21 Q. Pr i or t o Under sher i f f Cooke?
22 A. Bi l l Gor e.
23 Q. Pr i or t o Under sher i f f Gor e - - when was he
24 under sher i f f ?
25 A. I don' t know. That was bef or e my t i me.
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1 Q. So t he f i r s t per son t hat you r epor t ed t o
2 when you became t he PI O f or t he San Di ego Count y
3 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment was Under sher i f f Gor e?
4 A. That ' s cor r ect .5 Q. At t hat t i me, Bi l l Kol ender was t he sher i f f ?
6 A. That ' s cor r ect .
7 Q. I s t her e a wr i t t en document descr i bi ng your
8 j ob dut i es?
9 A. There' s my j ob descr i pt i on, yes .
10 Q. Has t hat r emai ned consi st ent over t he past
11 t en year s?
12 A. I bel i eve so, but I don' t r evi ew i t .
13 Q. How many peopl e do you have worki ng who
14 r epor t t o you cur r ent l y?
15 A. Si x.
16 Q. Are t hey al l i n t he Publ i c I nf or mat i on
17 Of f i ce?18 A. Yes.
19 Q. What ar e t hei r j ob dut i es? I f you coul d
20 al so at t ach t hei r name t o t hei r j ob dut i es .
21 A. I have an admi ni st r at i ve assi st ant whose
22 name i s Ci ndy Davi s. I have a medi a speci al i st by t he
23 name of Mel i ssa Acqui no, A- c- q- u- i - n- o. I have a
24 medi a speci al i st by t he name of Sammy Cast anon,
25 C- a- s - t - a- n- o- n. Vi deo pr oduct i on speci al i s t Mi ke
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1 Kur t z , K- u- r- t - z . Vi deo pr oduct i on speci al i s t Randy
2 Gr i mm, G- r - i - m- m. And I have a Deput y Ar i ana Rui be,
3 R- u- i - b- e, who i s assi gned t o Cr i me St opper s and
4 physi cal l y si t s at t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ,5 but r epor t s t o me.
6 Q. Of t hose si x i ndi vi dual s who r epor t t o you,
7 i s i t f ai r t o say t hat one of t hem i s a swor n of f i cer ?
8 A. That i s cor r ect . And I ' d l i ke t o al so add,
9 I ' m sor r y, we have a 960. Thi s i s a deput y who
10 r et i r ed as a commander I bel i eve ei ght year s ago.
11 Comes back on a 960 par t - t i me pr ogr am. He wor ks i n
12 our of f i ce one day a week. Hi s name i s Ken Cul ver ,
13 and he does t he websi t e.
14 Q. Mr. Cul ver i s r et i r ed f r om t he sher i f f ' s
15 depar t ment ?
16 A. That i s cor r ect .
17 Q. So cur r ent l y he' s a ci vi l i an?18 A. Cor r ect .
19 Q. When di d t he - - I ' m s or r y. I t hi nk I may
20 have mi ssed t he name of t he per son who handl es t he
21 soci al medi a.
22 A. I have t wo peopl e, Mel i ssa Acqui no and Sammy
23 Cast anon.
24 Q. Wer e t hey empl oyed al r eady i n t he Publ i c
25 I nf or mat i on Of f i ce when t he of f i ce s tar t ed t o f ocus - -
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1 or or i gi nal l y f ocused on soci al medi a?
2 A. They wer e hi r ed and - - Mel i ssa was hi r ed
3 f i r st and char ged wi t h begi nni ng our soci al medi a.
4 Q. When was t hat ?5 A. I bel i eve i t was 2010.
6 Q. Was a j ob descr i pt i on cr eat ed f or t hat
7 posi t i on?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. And when was t he ot her per son who i s t asked
10 wi t h soci al medi a hi r ed? Was t hat speci f i cal l y f or
11 soci al medi a, or di d t hat per son' s j ob evol ve i nt o
12 t hat ?
13 A. I t was t o assi s t Mel i ssa, soci al medi a and
14 pr oact i ve st or i es. And I bel i eve Sammy was hi r ed i n
15 2013, but I don' t know i f t hat ' s t he exact year .
16 Q. And I under st and t hat when you' r e gi vi ng
17 dat es , you' r e s i t t i ng t her e j us t t est i f yi ng and you' r e18 goi ng by t he bes t of r ecal l . And cer t ai nl y i f you had
19 t o conf i r m t hat , you coul d.
20 A. Absol ut el y.
21 Q. When you r ef er ence soci al medi a, i s Twi t t er
22 i ncl uded?
23 A. Yes, i t i s.
24 Q. I s Facebook i ncl uded?
25 A. Not any l onger.
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1 Q. For a t i me i t sounds l i ke Facebook was
2 i ncl uded?
3 A. That ' s cor r ect .
4 Q. Does t he San Di ego Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment have5 a Facebook pr esence cur r ent l y?
6 A. They do not .
7 Q. Di d t hey at one t i me have a Facebook
8 pr esence?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. Dur i ng what t i me per i od?
11 A. Agai n, guessi ng 2010 unt i l I bel i eve 2013 or
12 ' 14.
13 Q. Was t her e a r eason why i n about 2014 t he
14 Facebook pr esence f or t he depar t ment ceased?
15 A. There was a communi t y member post i ng vul gar
16 ver bi age on our page, and we t ook i t down.
17 Q. Who was t hat communi t y member ?18 A. Di mi t r i , D- i - m- i - t - r - i , Kar r as, K- a- r - r - a- s .
19 Q. Was t her e any r ecor d, or do you r ecal l
20 anyt hi ng bei ng post ed on t he Facebook page by J ames C.
21 Pl ayf or d?
22 A. I do not .
23 Q. Let me t r y t o t hi nk. I ns tagr am, i s t hat
24 par t of t he soci al medi a pr esence f or t he depar t ment ?
25 A. I don' t t hi nk so, but I ' m s or r y, I can' t
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1 answer t hat .
2 Q. I t sounds l i ke t her e i s a separ at e per son
3 who handl es t he websi t e pr esence now. Mr . Cul ver does
4 t hat ?5 A. He does t hat al ong wi t h our I T gr oup.
6 Q. And so do you consi der t he websi t e pr esence
7 par t of soci al medi a or separ at e?
8 A. I ' ve never r eal l y t hought about i t .
9 Q. I t ' s handl ed s eparat el y, i t s ounds l i ke,
10 t hough?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. When was t he websi t e br ought - - made act i ve?
13 I ' l l put i t t hat way. When was t he websi t e made
14 act i ve?
15 A. I don' t know. I t was bef or e my t i me.
16 Q. So i t ' s been t hat l ong. At l eas t t en year s?
17 A. Yes.18 Q. Who handl ed i t bef or e Mr . Cul ver ?
19 A. I woul d have t o suppose our I T depar t ment .
20 Q. And t he per son i n t he I T depar t ment t hat
21 hel ps out Mr . Cul ver , he doesn' t r epor t t o you,
22 cor r ect ?
23 A. Cor r ect , he does not .
24 Q. I s i t one per son or j ust t he I T depar t ment
25 i n gener al t hat hel ps Mr . Cul ver wi t h t he websi t e?
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1 A. I bel i eve i t ' s t he depar t ment i n gener al .
2 Q. When you wer e f i r st hi r ed t o be t he publ i c
3 i nf or mat i on of f i cer , s l ash, medi a di r ector , how many
4 peopl e r epor t ed t o you t hen?5 A. I ni t i al l y no one.
6 Q. One- per son depar t ment ?
7 A. No, no. Ther e was a capt ai n i n t her e
8 t empor ar i l y and admi ni s t r at i ve assi s tant .
9 Q. Do you know whose pl ace you t ook?
10 A. I bel i eve I r epl aced Chr i s Saunder s ,
11 S- a- u- n- d- e- r - s , but i t had been a f ew year s si nce he
12 had wor ked t her e.
13 Q. So t her e had been somewhat of a gap i n
14 f i l l i ng t he posi t i on? I t had gone unf i l l ed f or a
15 per i od of t i me?
16 A. I bel i eve so.
17 Q. To t he best of your knowl edge, di d t he18 capt ai n and t he admi ni s t r at i ve assi s t ant f i l l i n whi l e
19 t her e was a gap i n t he per son who act ual l y had t he
20 t i t l e PI O?
21 A. The capt ai n was t he POI .
22 Q. And who was t hat ?
23 A. Gl enn, G- l - e- n- n, Revel l , R- e- v- e- l - l , I
24 t hi nk.
25 Q. What became of t he capt ai n when you t ook
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1 over t he j ob?
2 A. He st ayed t her e t o hel p t r ai n me, and t hen
3 he was assi gned somewher e el se. I don' t r emember
4 wher e. And a l i eut enant came i n.5 Q. So at t hat t i me when you became t he publ i c
6 i nf or mat i on of f i cer , i t sounds l i ke t her e was a
7 capt ai n and an admi ni s t r at i ve assi s tant i n t he of f i ce?
8 A. Cor rect .
9 Q. But t hey di dn' t r epor t t o you?
10 A. No.
11 Q. And t hen t he capt ai n t r ai ned you and l ef t at
12 some poi nt ?
13 A. Uh- huh.
14 Q. And a l i eut enant came on boar d?
15 A. Cor r ect .
16 Q. Do you r ecal l t he name of t hat l i eut enant ?
17 A. Hi s name was Phi l Brus t , B- r- u- s - t .18 Q. And t he admi ni s t r at i ve assi s tant s tayed i n
19 t he posi t i on?
20 A. Cor r ect .
21 Q. When di d t hat composi t i on change?
22 A. We had a t empor ar y l i ght - dut y per son come i n
23 t hat was assi gned t o our communi cat i ons cent er as a
24 di spat cher . Came t o wor k f or us i n a TDY capaci t y,
25 and t hat st ayed t hat way f or a year , 18 mont hs. I ' m
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1 not r eal l y sur e i f I can r ecal l t he exact t i me f r ame.
2 And t hen Li eut enant Br ust was r eassi gned t o
3 t he Fal l br ook st at i on, and we deci ded t o hi r e someone
4 t o come i n and do t he pr oact i ve st or i es and soci al5 medi a, and t hat ' s when we adver t i sed and we acqui r ed
6 Mel i ssa Acqui no.
7 Q. Was Ms. Acqui no t he f i r st empl oyee of t he
8 Publ i c I nf or mat i on Of f i ce t hat r epor t ed t o you?
9 A. No. Whi l e Li eut enant Br ust was t her e, we
10 deci ded t hat Adr i ana Rui be woul d r epor t t o Phi l Br ust ,
11 and t he admi ni st r at i ve assi st ant woul d r epor t t o me.
12 Q. And af t er t he hi r e f or t he soci al medi a
13 posi t i on, i s i t f ai r t o say i t cont i nued t o gr ow t o
14 t he poi nt i t ' s at now, wher e si x peopl e r epor t t o you?
15 A. Cor r ect .
16 Q. I n addi t i on t o Mr. Cul ver ?
17 A. Cor r ect .18 Q. So i t ' s act ual l y seven?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. As i t ' s gr own, have peopl e come and gone, or
21 has i t j ust gr own wher e peopl e have added - - peopl e
22 have come on boar d and st ayed?
23 A. We had anot her per son come i n, a medi a
24 speci al i s t by t he name of Susan Pl ese, P- l - e- s- e, and
25 she was t here f or a l i t t l e whi l e af t er Li eut enant
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1 Br ust l ef t , and t hen she r esi gned. And t hen si nce
2 t hen we have cont i nued t o gr ow wi t h Mel i ssa and Sammy,
3 et cet er a.
4 Q. What f act or s have l ed t he depar t ment t o add5 t he soci al medi a component t o t he Publ i c I nf or mat i on
6 Of f i ce?
7 A. I t ' s a good way t o get i nf or mat i on t o t he
8 communi t i es. The t r end i s , soci al medi a i s ver y
9 popul ar and j ust a good way t o push out i nf or mat i on
10 qui ckl y.
11 Q. I j ust want t o make sur e t hat I di d name al l
12 t he soci al medi a t hat t he i nf or mat i on of f i ce act i vel y
13 cont r i but es t o, and t hat woul d be basi cal l y Twi t t er
14 and t he web page, i f you want t o consi der t hat as
15 wel l .
16 A. We have our web page. We have - - f or a
17 whi l e we di d have Facebook as we di scussed. We do18 have Twi t t er . We use Ni xl e, N- i - x- l - e. And we mi ght
19 use I nst agr am. I woul d have t o check on t hat .
20 Q. Have you had any i ssues wi t h Twi t t er or t he
21 ot her soci al medi a t hat you exper i enced wi t h Facebook
22 t hat l ed t o t he page bei ng shut down?
23 A. No, we haven' t .
24 ( Br i ef r ecess. )
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1 BY MS. BAI RD:
2 Q. The vi deo pr oduct i on, when di d t hat
3 component of t he Publ i c I nf or mat i on Of f i ce come i nt o
4 exi st ence?5 A. Appr oxi mat el y t wo, t hr ee year s ago.
6 Q. And t her e ar e t wo peopl e i nvol ved i n t hat ?
7 A speci al i st and t hen t he mai n per son, cor r ect?
8 A. Wel l , t hey' r e bot h ki nd of equal .
9 Q. Di d t hey bot h - - wer e t hey bot h hi r ed about
10 t he same t i me?
11 A. No. We had - - one i s a vol unt eer f or many,
12 many year s bef or e I st ar t ed. And t hen Mr . Kur t z
13 j oi ned us t wo or t hr ee year s ago as a vol unt eer and
14 t hen appl i ed as we gr ew t hi s new uni t .
15 Q. And so bot h of t hem ar e pai d empl oyees now?
16 A. Cor r ect .
17 Q. What does t he vi deo pr oduct i on par t of t he18 of f i ce ent ai l ?
19 A. Wel l , t hese t wo men wi l l do vi deos at t he
20 reques t of di f f erent uni t s . For i ns tance, t hey j us t
21 compl et ed a vi deo on a cof f ee car t at one of our
22 f aci l i t i es, one of our det ent i on f aci l i t i es. Ki nd of
23 a cul i nar y ar t s t r ai ni ng pr ogr am. So t hey vi deot aped
24 t hat and put i t onl i ne. And i t was al so pi cked up by
25 t he news medi a.
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1 Q. What are t he var i ous f acet s of t he sher i f f ' s
2 depar t ment t hat t he Publ i c I nf or mat i on Of f i ce i s
3 t asked wi t h di st r i but i ng i nf or mat i on about ? I mean,
4 you j us t ment i oned a cor rect i ons f aci l i t y or a j ai l5 f aci l i t y. So t hat woul d be one component .
6 Woul d anot her component be t he var i ous
7 st at i ons or subst at i ons wher e swor n of f i cer s wor k out
8 of ?
9 A. Cor rect .
10 Q. And what woul d be some ot her exampl es?
11 A. Cour t Ser vi ces Bur eau woul d be anot her
12 exampl e. Ther e ar e a l ot of movi ng par t s t o t he
13 sher i f f ' s depar t ment , and we t r y t o put i nf or mat i on
14 out about t hem as r equest ed, or t hat t he publ i c mi ght
15 f i nd i nt er est i ng.
16 Q. So i t woul d cover ever yt hi ng i nvol vi ng t he
17 sher i f f ' s depar t ment t hen?18 A. Cor r ect .
19 Q. Ar e t he vi deos t hat ar e pr oduced i n your
20 uni t di ssemi nat ed t hr ough soci al medi a?
21 A. Somet i mes .
22 Q. I ncl udi ng your websi t e somet i mes?
23 A. Somet i mes .
24 Q. And l i nks on Twi t t er somet i mes?
25 A. I don' t know f or sur e, but I woul d i magi ne.
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1 Q. Ar e t hey used at any f unct i ons or f or ums or
2 pl aces wher e you gi ve speeches or ot her member s of t he
3 depar t ment gi ve pr esent at i ons or speeches?
4 A. Yes.5 Q. Appr oxi mat el y how many vi deos have been
6 pr oduced, i f you know?
7 A. I coul dn' t begi n t o count .
8 Q. Woul d t her e be a l i s t of t hose vi deos
9 mai nt ai ned?
10 A. Ther e mi ght be. I woul d have t o r esear ch.
11 Q. Wel l , t he vi deos woul d be mai nt ai ned,
12 cor r ect ?
13 A. Cor r ect .
14 Q. Do peopl e f r om t he publ i c ever r equest
15 copi es of t he vi deos?
16 A. No, not t hat ' s been my exper i ence.
17 Q. Do you make t r ai ni ng vi deos f or deput i es or18 peopl e t hat wor k i n t he sher i f f ' s depar t ment ?
19 A. The t wo gent l emen i n t he vi deo pr oduct i on
20 uni t do, yes.
21 Q. I s t hat a par t i cul ar t as k t hat ' s as si gned t o
22 your uni t ? I n ot her wor ds, t her e' s not a separ at e
23 t r ai ni ng uni t out t her e t hat does vi deo; t hat woul d be
24 your uni t t hat woul d do t hose?
25 A. There' s a separat e t r ai ni ng uni t , but t hey
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1 usual l y r el y on Randy or Mi ke t o do t he vi deos.
2 Q. Okay, okay. Do you have a f or mal wor ki ng
3 r el at i onshi p wi t h a publ i c i nf ormat i on of f i cer
4 empl oyed by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?5 A. I know t he l i eut enant , and we conver se f r om
6 t i me t o t i me on di f f er ent t hi ngs .
7 Q. For exampl e, i s t her e any memor andum of
8 under st andi ng r egar di ng a r el at i onshi p bet ween you and
9 a PI O f r om t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
10 A. Not t o my knowl edge.
11 Q. I s i t f ai r t o say t hat you r el y on t he
12 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment f or a l i s t of i ndi vi dual s
13 or or gani zat i ons who have been i ssued medi a
14 cr edent i al s by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. And how do you - - i f you do, how do you
17 obt ai n a l i s t or keep cur r ent wi t h such a l i s t18 mai nt ai ned by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
19 A. I ' ve never asked f or a l i st .
20 Q. Do you know i f t her e i s a l i s t ?
21 A. I don' t know.
22 Q. Do you have a way of det er mi ni ng i f an
23 i ndi vi dual or an organi zat i on i s on a l i st , i f t her e
24 i s a l i st , kept by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
25 A. I ' m sor r y. Woul d you repeat t hat ?
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1 Q. Do you have a way of det er mi ni ng i f an
2 i ndi vi dual or an organi zat i on i s on a l i st , i f t her e
3 i s a l i s t , mai nt ai ned by t he San Di ego Pol i ce
4 Depar t ment ?5 A. Yes.
6 Q. And how i s t hat ?
7 A. I woul d pi ck up t he phone and cal l .
8 Q. So i f you need t o det er mi ne i f an i ndi vi dual
9 or or gani zat i on has been i ssued medi a credent i al s by
10 t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment , one way you det er mi ne
11 t hat i nf or mat i on i s by pi cki ng up t he phone and
12 cal l i ng t he pol i ce depar t ment ?
13 A. Cor r ect .
14 Q. Any par t i cul ar per son t hat you cal l at t he
15 pol i ce depar t ment ?
16 A. I t woul d pr obabl y be t he mai n PI O.
17 Q. And who i s t he cur r ent PI O?18 A. Li eut enant Scot t Wahl , W- a- h- l .
19 Q. And how many, i f you can r ecal l , PI Os have
20 you used i n t hat f ashi on at t he San Di ego Pol i ce
21 Depar t ment ?
22 A. The pr i or PI O i s Det ect i ve Gar y Hassen,
23 H- a- s- s- e- n, I bel i eve, and I woul d cal l hi m
24 occas i onal l y. I don' t bel i eve I cal l ed t he pr i or PI O.
25 Q. Do you know i f deput i es empl oyed by t he
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1 San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment use a si mi l ar
2 means of det er mi ni ng i f an i ndi vi dual or an agency has
3 medi a credent i al i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce
4 Depar t ment ?5 A. I don' t know.
6 Q. Do you know i f t her e i s a pr ocedur e or
7 pol i cy i n pl ace f or deput i es wi t h t he Count y t o
8 det er mi ne i f an i ndi vi dual or agency has medi a
9 cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
10 A. I ' m sor r y. Woul d you r epeat t he quest i on?
11 Q. Do you know i f t her e' s a pr ocedur e or pol i cy
12 f or deput i es to det er mi ne i f an i ndi vi dual or
13 or gani zat i on has medi a credent i al s i ssued by t he
14 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
15 A. Not t o my knowl edge.
16 Q. Do you know i f i t ' s par t of a deput y' s j ob
17 t o make a det er mi nat i on i f an i ndi vi dual or agency at18 a scene has been i ssued medi a cr edent i al s by t he
19 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
20 A. I ' ve never been a deput y. I woul dn' t be
21 abl e t o ans wer t hat .
22 Q. Do deput i es ever ask you, i n your posi t i on
23 as a publ i c i nf ormat i on of f i cer , s l ash, medi a
24 di r ect or , whet her a cer t ai n i ndi vi dual or agenci es
25 t hey' ve come i n cont act wi t h has medi a cr edent i al s
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1 i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
2 A. I bel i eve t hey' ve asked t hat , I bel i eve.
3 Q. Ther e' s no pol i cy or pr ocedur e, t hat you
4 know of , t hat i nf or ms deput i es of how t o make a5 det er mi nat i on of whet her an i ndi vi dual or agency has
6 medi a credent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce
7 Depar t ment ?
8 A. To my knowl edge, no.
9 Q. Have you ever been cont act ed by a deput y
10 empl oyed by t he Count y and asked i f J ames C. Pl ayf or d
11 has medi a cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce
12 Depar t ment ?
13 A. I can' t t hi nk of a speci f i c deput y. I can' t
14 r ecal l one.
15 Q. I guess I shoul d ask, j us t as a f oundat i on,
16 whet her you know who J ames C. Pl ayf or d i s.
17 A. Yes, I do.18 Q. Have you ever met hi m i n per son?
19 A. Yes, I have.
20 Q. So you' d r ecogni ze hi m i f you saw hi m?
21 A. Yes, I woul d.
22 Q. Has anybody, a ci vi l i an empl oyee of t he
23 Count y, cont act ed you t o ask you i f Mr . Pl ayf or d has
24 medi a credent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce
25 Depar t ment ?
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1 A. A ci vi l i an empl oyee of t he Count y?
2 Q. Yes . Wel l , t he s her i f f ' s depar t ment , I
3 mean. I ' l l say t he whol e t hi ng. San Di ego Count y
4 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment , a ci vi l i an empl oyee.5 A. I don' t r ecal l .
6 Q. Have you been cont act ed, t hat you r ecal l ,
7 by ei t her a s worn of f i cer, a deput y, or a ci vi l i an
8 empl oyee of t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment ,
9 and asked i f Amer i can News and I nf or mat i on Ser vi ces
10 has been i ssued medi a cr edent i al s by t he San Di ego
11 Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
12 A. I don' t r ecal l .
13 Q. When I ment i on Amer i can News and I nf or mat i on
14 Ser vi ces, does t hat mean anyt hi ng t o you?
15 A. I t i s I bel i eve t he agency t hat has used or
16 hi r ed J . C. Pl ayf or d.
17 Q. Have you ever had cont act wi t h an i ndi vi dual18 named Edwar d Per ut a?
19 A. I don' t bel i eve di r ect l y.
20 Q. Do you know i f he has any associ at i on wi t h
21 Amer i can News and I nf or mat i on Ser vi ces or J ames C.
22 Pl ayf or d?
23 A. My under st andi ng i s he' s t he owner of
24 Amer i can News and I nf or mat i on Ser vi ces whi ch empl oys
25 Mr . Pl ayf or d.
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1 Q. Do you know i f Mr . Pl ayf or d cur r ent l y has
2 medi a credent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce
3 Depar t ment ?
4 A. My l at est under st andi ng, and i t ' s been a f ew5 mont hs , i s that he does not .
6 Q. And do you know i f Mr . Per ut a has medi a
7 cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
8 A. I do not know.
9 Q. When you say i t ' s your under st andi ng f r om
10 t he past coupl e of mont hs t hat Mr . Pl ayf or d does not
11 have such medi a cr edent i al s, di d you have some
12 occasi on i n t he past coupl e of mont hs t o check, or di d
13 somebody vol unt eer i nf or mat i on t o you t hat gi ves you
14 t hat under s t andi ng?
15 A. I don' t r ecal l a speci f i c i nci dent . The
16 l ast one woul d have been I bel i eve l ast J une when we
17 had a news conf er ence i n t he bui l di ng, and we wer e18 t r yi ng t o ascer t ai n i f Mr. Pl ayf or d had medi a - - val i d
19 medi a credent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce
20 Depar t ment .
21 Q. And t he pr ess conf er ence you' r e r ef er r i ng t o
22 and i n t he bui l di ng - - what bui l di ng was t hat pr ess
23 conf er ence back i n J une of 2015?
24 A. Our sher i f f ' s admi ni s t r at i ve headquar t er s on
25 Ri dgehaven Cour t .
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1 Q. And ot her t han t hi s J une of 2015 occasi on
2 t hat you r ecal l i nvol vi ng Mr . Pl ayf or d and t he i ssue
3 of pr ess cr edent i al s , do you r ecal l any ot her pr ess
4 conf er ences wher e Mr . Pl ayf or d has been pr esent , and5 i t was det er mi ned t hat he di dn' t have t he necessar y or
6 val i d medi a cr edent i al s t o at t end t he pr ess
7 conf er ence?
8 A. Pr ess conf er ence, no.
9 Q. So t el l me what you r emember about t hi s
10 J une 2015 pr ess conf er ence i nvol vi ng J . C. Pl ayf or d
11 t hat woul d have caused you t o be i nf or med of or check
12 i nt o whet her he had val i d medi a credent i al s.
13 A. Coul d you be mor e speci f i c?
14 Q. Sur e. Wer e you pr esent at t he news
15 conf er ence?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. I s i t a news conf er ence or pr ess conf er ence?18 A. I bel i eve i t ' s cal l ed medi a conf erence.
19 Q. So you wer e pr esent at t he medi a conf er ence
20 back i n J une 2015?
21 A. Cor r ect .
22 Q. Wer e you t he one gi vi ng t he pr esent at i on at
23 t he medi a conf er ence?
24 A. No.
25 Q. Who was?
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1 A. Sher i f f Gor e.
2 Q. Do you know what t he medi a conf er ence
3 per t ai ned t o?
4 A. I t was about a deput y who had t azed a5 t eenager i n Fal l br ook.
6 Q. When you have a medi a conf erence such as t he
7 one we' r e t al ki ng about back i n J une 2015, i s t her e
8 any pol i cy or pr ocedur e about not i ce goi ng out t hat
9 t her e' s goi ng t o be such a conf er ence?
10 A. No.
11 Q. Fai r t o say some ar e mor e hast i l y put
12 t oget her t han ot her s dependi ng on t he i ssue?
13 A. Cor r ect .
14 Q. So at t hi s J une 2015 conf er ence, wer e t her e
15 member s of t he medi a t her e wi t h val i d medi a
16 cr edent i al s?
17 A. Yes.18 Q. And di d t hey gai n ent r y by showi ng t hose
19 medi a cr edent i al s?
20 A. Yes . That was par t of t hei r ent r ance.
21 They have t o go t hr ough - - ever yone goes t hr ough a
22 magnet omet er and shows i dent i f i cat i on t o gai n ent r y
23 i nt o our bui l di ng.
24 Q. And t her e' s somebody t hat i s st at i oned at
25 t he magnet omet er ?
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1 A. Cor rect .
2 Q. They wi l l be t he ones t hat l ook t o see i f
3 any al ar m goes of f ?
4 A. Cor rect .5 Q. And t hen t hey ask each per son f or t hei r
6 val i d medi a cr edent i al s?
7 A. I f t hey ar e a member of t he medi a, yes.
8 Q. So how woul d t hat per son t hat ' s st at i oned
9 t her e know t o ask someone f or t hei r val i d medi a
10 cr edent i al s?
11 A. I f t hey have camer a equi pment wi t h t hem
12 woul d be one way. They mi ght have t hei r cr edent i al s
13 ar ound t hei r neck di spl ayed and woul d ask t o see t hem
14 i f t hey wer e cur r ent .
15 Q. I s t he general publ i c al l owed? Let ' s s t i ck
16 t o t he J une 2015 conf er ence j ust t o make i t mor e
17 speci f i c. Was t he gener al publ i c al l owed i nt o t hat18 medi a conf er ence?
19 A. Gener al l y t hey don' t come so we don' t have
20 t o make a deci si on i f t hey ar e al l owed or not .
21 Q. I s t her e a pol i cy or pr ocedur e about whet her
22 t he gener al publ i c i s al l owed i nt o a medi a conf er ence?
23 A. What was pol i cy i s t hat a per son wi t h t he
24 news, wi t h t he medi a, has a val i d San Di ego Depar t ment
25 i ssued cr edent i al . They ar e al l owed i nt o our bui l di ng
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1 t o vi deot ape or conduct i nt er vi ews. They don' t need a
2 credent i al i f we have t he medi a conf er ence out si de.
3 And t hen t he gener al publ i c may at t end as wel l .
4 Q. Do you mean out si de t he bui l di ng?5 A. Cor rect .
6 Q. But i ns i de t he bui l di ng, t hen an i ndi vi dual
7 needs t hat medi a credent i al f r om t he San Di ego Pol i ce
8 Depar t ment ?
9 A. That i s cor r ect .
10 Q. What ot her ki nd of per sons or cl asses or
11 cat egor i es of peopl e can at t end an i nsi de medi a
12 conf er ence, ot her t han i ndi vi dual s wi t h val i d medi a
13 cr edent i al s?
14 A. Empl oyees .
15 Q. So any ot her cat egor i es?
16 A. Ot her depar t ment s. Empl oyees t hat mi ght be
17 associ at ed wi t h an i nvest i gat i on. Anot her l aw18 enf or cement agency or anot her st akehol der .
19 Q. And coul d a st akehol der be an i ndi vi dual not
20 empl oyed by t he gover nment , or woul d i t al ways be
21 anot her depar t ment or agency?
22 A. Each s i t uat i on woul d be di f f er ent .
23 Q. I ' m j ust t r yi ng t o t hi nk of what a
24 st akehol der woul d be. Per haps a vi ct i m, woul d t hey be
25 a st akehol der ?
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1 A. That coul d be.
2 Q. A wi t ness, coul d t hat per son be a
3 st akehol der ?
4 A. That coul d be.5 Q. So when you say " st akehol der , " you mean
6 somebody di r ect l y i nvol ved wi t h t he f act s of t he case?
7 A. Usual l y, but each si t uat i on i s di f f er ent .
8 I t s t ands on i t s own.
9 Q. What do you r ecal l , i f anyt hi ng, about
10 Mr . Pl ayf or d and t he J une 2015 medi a conf er ence?
11 A. Can you be mor e speci f i c?
12 Q. Was he pr esent ?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. Di d he go t hr ough t he - - I f or get - -
15 magnet omet er ?
16 A. Magnet omet er .
17 Q. Di d he go t hr ough t he magnet omet er ?18 A. I wasn' t t her e, but I ' m sur e he di d.
19 Q. How do you know he was t her e?
20 A. I saw hi m.
21 Q. Wher e di d you see hi m?
22 A. I n t he t r ai ni ng r oom wher e we hel d t he medi a
23 conf er ence.
24 Q. So he made i t i nt o t he t r ai ni ng r oom?
25 A. He di d.
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1 Q. And di d he st ay f or t he whol e medi a
2 conf er ence?
3 A. Yes, he di d.
4 Q. Di d he ask any quest i ons?5 A. I bel i eve he di d.
6 Q. I s t hat t he i nci dent t hat caused you t o
7 check t o see i f he had val i d medi a cr edent i al s?
8 A. I di d not .
9 Q. Di d you di r ect somebody t o do t hat ?
10 A. They al ways check.
11 Q. The per son st at i oned at t he machi ne?
12 A. Cor r ect .
13 Q. And do you know i f t he per son st at i oned at
14 t he machi ne i n J une 2015 checked?
15 A. I know t hat t hey asked hi m f or t hem.
16 Q. Do you have r eason t o bel i eve t hat Mr .
17 Pl ayf or d gai ned ent r y i n J une 2015 t o t he medi a18 conf er ence when he di d not have medi a cr edent i al s
19 i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
20 A. He di d.
21 Q. Was t her e any f ol l ow- up i nvest i gat i on done
22 t o det er mi ne how he accompl i shed t hat ?
23 A. No, t her e was no i nvest i gat i on.
24 Q. Was t her e any act i on t aken agai nst t he
25 per son st at i oned at t he machi ne t hat al l owed
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1 Mr. Pl ayf or d ent r y?
2 A. No.
3 Q. Was i t er ror t o al l ow Mr . Pl ayf or d ent ry
4 i nt o t hat medi a conf er ence?5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Was i t er r or because he di dn' t have medi a
7 cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
8 A. Cor rect .
9 Q. And do you know i f t hat er r or has been made
10 at any ot her t i me of al l owi ng Mr . Pl ayf or d i nt o a
11 medi a conf er ence when he di dn' t have pr ess medi a
12 cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
13 A. I ' m not sur e i f I can answer t hat .
14 Q. Has any act i on been t aken by your of f i ce t o
15 ensur e t hat t hi s er ror of al l owi ng Mr . Pl ayf ord i nt o a
16 medi a conf er ence i nsi de wi t hout medi a cr edent i al s
17 doesn' t occur agai n?18 A. Not hi ng has changed i n our of f i ce.
19 Q. So t her e hasn' t been any memo or not i ce
20 i ssued t o i ndi vi dual s t hat ar e s tat i oned at t hese
21 ent r y machi nes t el l i ng t hem, be sur e and check i f
22 peopl e have medi a cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego
23 Pol i ce Depar t ment bef or e you l et t hem i n t he medi a
24 conf er ences?
25 A. I don' t know i f t her e was somet hi ng bef or e
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1 t hat t i me or af t er t hat t i me. My col l eague Mel i ssa
2 pr epar ed somet hi ng t hat gave an exampl e of what a
3 San Di ego medi a cr edent i al l ooked l i ke, and t o make
4 sur e t hat peopl e wi t h t he medi a had t hem. But i n5 hones ty, I don' t know i f i t was bef or e or af t er .
6 Q. And what was Mel i ssa' s l ast name?
7 A. Acqui no.
8 Q. Di d t hi s , i f you know, di d t he not i ce have a
9 wr i t t en descr i pt i on of t he medi a cr edent i al or j us t a
10 pi ct ur e of i t ?
11 A. I bel i eve i t was j ust a pi ct ur e.
12 Q. Di d you see anyone at t he J une 2015 pr ess
13 conf er ence conf r ont Mr . Pl ayf or d about hi s pr esence at
14 t he medi a conf er ence?
15 A. Not t hat I saw.
16 Q. Ot her t han medi a conf er ences, ar e t her e
17 ot her i nf or mat i onal event s t hat ar e open t o - - wel l ,18 what I shoul d say, t hat ar e l i mi t ed t o member s of t he
19 medi a who have medi a cr edent i al s i ssued by t he
20 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
21 A. I ' m sor r y. One mor e t i me.
22 Q. Sur e. Ot her t han t he medi a conf er ences,
23 ar e t her e ot her i nf or mat i onal event s, pr esent at i ons
24 gi ven by ei t her Sher i f f Gor e or ot her member s of t he
25 sher i f f ' s depar t ment , t hat ar e onl y open t o medi a i f
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1 t hey have credent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce
2 Depar t ment ?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. What ar e t hose event s?5 A. They mi ght be pl aci ng ei t her t he sher i f f or
6 a capt ai n, anot her i ndi vi dual , a medi a avai l abi l i t y t o
7 answer quest i ons on a speci f i c event or si t uat i on.
8 That woul d be one exampl e.
9 Q. Can you t hi nk of any ot her s?
10 A. Not of f t he t op of my head. But as we go
11 al ong, I mi ght r emember somet hi ng.
12 Q. I s t here any provi s i on f or reci pr oci t y of
13 r ecogni t i on of medi a cr edent i al s? For exampl e, i f an
14 i ndi vi dual had a medi a credent i al i ssued by t he
15 Sacr ament o Pol i ce Depar t ment , woul d t hat be - - i s
16 t her e any pr ovi s i on or l i s t of r ecogni z i ng medi a
17 cr edent i al s i ssued by ot her gover nment agenci es?18 A. Yes.
19 Q. What i s t hat provi s i on?
20 A. Wel l , t here' s no pol i cy. I f anot her medi a
21 i ndi vi dual has val i d cur r ent cr edent i al s , t hey' ve been
22 aut hor i zed by an out si de l aw enf or cement agency, we
23 woul d r ecogni ze t hose.
24 Q. Ot her t han r ecogni zi ng credent i al s i ssued by
25 l aw enf or cement agenci es, i s t her e any pr ovi si on f or
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1 r ecogni zi ng cr edent i al s i ssued by non l aw enf or cement
2 or gani zat i ons?
3 A. Those ar en' t r ecogni zed as bei ng val i d.
4 Q. So a medi a cr edent i al t o be r ecogni zed by5 t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment has t o be
6 i ssued by gover nment agency?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. Woul d you cal l t hat a pol i cy?
9 A. I don' t know honest l y i f i t ' s i n our pol i cy
10 manual , but i t i s the pr ot ocol we f ol l ow.
11 Q. Was t hat t he pr ot ocol t hat was f ol l owed when
12 you came on boar d as t he publ i c i nf or mat i on of f i cer ,
13 sl ash, medi a di r ect or f or t he Count y?
14 A. Si nce I ' ve been t here. I can' t speak
15 bef or ehand.
16 Q. Has i t r emai ned t he same, t o your knowl edge,
17 dur i ng t he near l y t en year s you' ve been wi t h t he18 Count y?
19 A. To t he best of my knowl edge, yes.
20 Q. Now, ar e you awar e t hat Mr . Pl ayf or d has
21 cr edent i al s i ssued by Amer i can News and I nf or mat i on
22 Ser vi ces?
23 A. No, I di dn' t know t hat .
24 Q. Ar e you awar e t hat Mr . Pl ayf or d has cl ai med
25 t o have cr edent i al s i ssued by a non l aw enf or cement
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1 or gani zat i on?
2 A. I don' t have f i r s thand knowl edge of t hat ,
3 no.
4 Q. So you s i t t i ng here t oday, ei t her f i r s thand5 or under st andi ng f r om i nf or mat i on t hat ' s been gi ven t o
6 you, you have no knowl edge t hat Mr . Pl ayf or d has or
7 does not have cr edent i al s i ssued by a non gover nment
8 or gani zat i on?
9 A. No, I don' t . I don' t know.
10 Q. I s t hat because i t ' s i r r el evant t o you
11 whet her or not he has cr edent i al s i ssued by a non
12 gover nment or gani zat i on, because t hey woul dn' t be
13 val i d under your prot ocol ?
14 A. We l ook t o see i f t hey have a San Di ego
15 Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued credent i al s .
16 Q. Or ot her l aw enf or cement , cor r ect?
17 A. Cor r ect .18 Q. So i f i t ' s not San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment
19 or ot her l aw enf or cement t hat i ssued t he credent i al s,
20 t hen t he credent i al s under t he pr ot ocol of your
21 depar t ment ar en' t val i d?
22 A. Cor r ect .
23 Q. Have you ever cont act ed t he San Di ego Pol i ce
24 Depar t ment t o i ndi cat e t hat an i ndi vi dual who has
25 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment medi a cr edent i al s has done
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1 somet hi ng t hat shoul d be l ooked i nt o by t he San Di ego
2 Pol i ce Depar t ment , somet hi ng i nappr opr i at e wher e
3 per haps t hei r medi a credent i al shoul d be l ooked i nt o?
4 A. Yes.5 Q. How many t i mes have you done t hat ?
6 A. I don' t know how many t i mes.
7 Q. What i s t he t i me or occasi ons t hat you wer e
8 t hi nki ng of when you answer ed yes t o my quest i on?
9 A. I don' t r emember speci f i c year s , but I do
10 r emember cont act i ng Det ect i ve Hassen about Mr .
11 Pl ayf or d and hi s behavi or.
12 Q. So obvi ousl y t hat woul d have been whi l e
13 Det ect i ve Hassen was t he PI O at t he San Di ego Pol i ce
14 Depar t ment , r i ght ?
15 A. Cor r ect .
16 Q. So t hat put s i t i nt o a t i me f r ame somewhat ?
17 A. Yes.18 Q. And was t her e anot her occasi on when you
19 cont act ed Det ect i ve Hassen or any ot her PI O over at
20 t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment about Mr . Pl ayf or d?
21 A. I bel i eve so, but I don' t r emember speci f i c
22 dat es or t i mes. Anot her PI O over t her e I j ust
23 r emember was Andr a, A- n- d- r - a, Br own, B- r - o- w- n. And
24 she was al so a co- PI O wi t h Det ect i ve Hassen.
25 Q. So you r emember at l east one t i me cont act i ng
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1 Det ect i ve Hassen about Mr . Pl ayf or d and hi s medi a
2 cr edent i al s?
3 A. Cor rect .
4 Q. At t hat t i me, di d you have cause t o bel i eve5 t hat Mr . Pl ayf or d had San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment
6 medi a cr edent i al s?
7 A. Yes, he di d, I bel i eve.
8 Q. Do you know i f your phone cal l t o t he
9 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment about Mr . Pl ayf or d and hi s
10 conduct l ed t o any act i on by t he San Di ego Pol i ce
11 Depar t ment ?
12 A. I don' t know.
13 Q. Di d t he San Di ego - - Det ect i ve Hassen ask
14 you f or addi t i onal i nf ormat i on?
15 A. I don' t r ecal l t hat .
16 Q. Ot her t han your phone cal l t o hi m, do you
17 r ecal l f ol l owi ng up on t he mat t er , t aki ng any ot her18 act i on?
19 A. No.
20 Q. Ar e you awar e of t he ci r cumst ances t hat l ed
21 t o Mr . Pl ayf or d havi ng medi a credent i al s i ssued by t he
22 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment at one t i me, but not
23 havi ng t hem now?
24 A. I under st and t hat he had cr edent i al s , and
25 t hen t hey wer e not r enewed by t he San Di ego Pol i ce
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1 Depar t ment . They woul d have t o answer t hat . Thi s i s
2 st r i ct l y f r om my memor y. And t hen he was i ssued
3 cr edent i al s agai n, and my under st andi ng i s t hat he has
4 l et t hem l apse.5 Q. Ot her t han Mr . Pl ayf or d, have you had
6 occasi on - - or have you cont act ed t he San Di ego Pol i ce
7 Depar t ment about an i ndi vi dual who has medi a
8 credent i al s i ssued by t he pol i ce depar t ment and
9 engaged i n conduct t hat you bel i eved i mpact ed, one,
10 whet her t hey shoul d have credent i al s or not ?
11 A. I ' m sor r y. Woul d you r epeat ?
12 Q. Sur e. Ot her t han Mr . Pl ayf or d, have you
13 cont act ed t he pol i ce depar t ment , t he San Di ego Pol i ce
14 Depar t ment , about any ot her i ndi vi dual wher e you' ve
15 had concer ns about t hei r conduct as r el at ed t o t hem
16 havi ng medi a cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego
17 Pol i ce Depar t ment ?18 A. No.
19 Q. Do you know an i ndi vi dual - - not know. Ar e
20 you f ami l i ar wi t h t he name Ed Bai er , B- a- i - e- r ?
21 A. I ' ve hear d t he name.
22 Q. Any cont act s made by you t o t he San Di ego
23 Pol i ce Depar t ment about Ed Bai er ?
24 A. No, not t o my recol l ect i on, no.
25 Q. What i nf or mat i on do you r ecal l havi ng
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1 r ecei ved t hat causes you t o r emember t he name
2 Ed Bai er ?
3 A. Mr. Bai er wi l l occasi onal l y s end e- mai l s . I
4 don' t r emember speci f i cal l y what t hey concer n, but5 t hey' r e r ant i ng i n nat ur e. He wi l l cal l t he of f i ce
6 somet i mes l eavi ng messages, or he wi l l be upset about
7 somet hi ng. Agai n, I don' t r ecal l t he subj ect mat t er ,
8 but t hos e ar e i nf r equent .
9 Q. And t he e- mai l s , ar e t hey sent t o you?
10 A. They ar e.
11 Q. And t he voi ce mai l s , t hey' r e l ef t at your
12 number ?
13 A. They ar e not .
14 Q. At t he i nf ormat i on - - at t he Publ i c
15 I nf or mat i on Depar t ment ' s number ?
16 A. Yes, my admi ni st r at i ve assi st ant ' s number .
17 Q. Do you know i f Mr . Bai er has medi a18 cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
19 A. My under st andi ng, he does not .
20 Q. And wher e woul d t hat under st andi ng come
21 f rom?
22 A. I bel i eve f r om Det ect i ve Hassen. I
23 under st and t hat Mr . Bai er was convi ct ed of a f el ony
24 and cannot have pr ess credent i al s.
25 Q. What woul d have caused you t o engage i n a
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1 conver sat i on wi t h Det ect i ve Hassen about t hat ?
2 A. I don' t r ecal l . I bel i eve i t woul d be i n
3 t he same conver sat i on as Mr . Pl ayf or d. I bel i eve
4 t hey' r e f r i ends.5 Q. And t hat conver sat i on woul d have occur r ed
6 back ar ound t he J une 2015 medi a conf er ence event ?
7 A. No.
8 Q. Bef or e or af t er ?
9 A. Bef or e.
10 Q. Ar e you f ami l i ar wi t h t he name J er r y Nance,
11 N- a- n- c- e?
12 A. Yes, I am.
13 Q. And do you know i f Mr . Nance has medi a
14 cr edent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
15 A. I under st and he does not .
16 Q. Wher e does t hat under st andi ng come f r om?
17 A. That comes f r om a quest i on t hat I asked18 yest er day at t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment because
19 he' s goi ng t hr ough a t r i al now f or 148.
20 Q. What was your - - I ' m not qui t e sur e I
21 connect ed i t . I need you t o expl ai n. What was t he
22 r eason why you cont act ed Det ect i ve Hassen t o check on
23 Mr . Nance' s medi a cr edent i al s?
24 A. Det ect i ve Hassen r et i r ed a f ew year s ago.
25 I cont act ed Det ect i ve Mar k Her r i ng, H- e- r - r - i - n- g.
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1 And because t he assi st ant di st r i ct at t or ney cont acted
2 me as a wi t ness t o di scuss our pol i cy and pr ocedur e,
3 I di d some r esear ch t o see i f Mr . Nance had a val i d
4 medi a credent i al on t he dat e i n quest i on.5 Q. Wer e you abl e t o pr ovi de any pol i ci es and
6 pr ocedur es?
7 A. Pr ovi de any pol i ci es and pr ocedur es t o?
8 Q. I t hi nk you sai d t hat - - I ' m not sur e i f i t
9 was t he DA or t he i nvest i gat i on agency i nvol ved wi t h
10 Mr . Nance' s t r i al had cal l ed you - -
11 A. Cor r ect .
12 Q. - - t o ask - - we' l l go by memor y now. I
13 t hi nk you sai d t hey cal l ed you t o ask i f you had any
14 pol i ci es or pr ocedur es?
15 A. I pr ovi ded t hem our medi a gui de, as wel l as
16 our 7. 3.
17 ( Exhi bi t 1 was mar ked f or i dent i f i cat i on by18 t he cour t r epor t er . )
19 BY MS. BAI RD:
20 Q. I f I coul d have t hi s marked as Pl ai nt i f f ' s
21 Exhi bi t 1. I s t hat t he way we do i t i n Cal i f or ni a?
22 We' ve had mar ked a ni ne- page document ent i t l ed " San
23 Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment Medi a Gui de. " And
24 I ' l l j ust ask you t o l ook at t hat t o, f i r s t , det er mi ne
25 i f you r ecogni ze i t , and t hen i f you do, t o det er mi ne
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1 i f i t ' s cur r ent .
2 A. Yes, t hi s i s cur r ent .
3 Q. I s t her e a way you coul d t el l t hat so f as t?
4 A. I br ought t he copy wi t h me.5 Q. Okay. And t hi s medi a gui de, Exhi bi t 1, i s
6 post ed at t he web page f or t he San Di ego Count y
7 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment , cor r ect ?
8 A. That i s cor r ect .
9 Q. And i t l ooks l i ke f r om what you br ought
10 t her e' s al so a pamphl et i n col or ver s i on.
11 A. Cor r ect .
12 Q. What i s avai l abl e f or t hose who come i n and
13 r equest a copy?
14 A. That i s cor r ect .
15 Q. And t hi s medi a gui de, whi ch i s Exhi bi t 1,
16 i s t he medi a gui de you woul d have pr ovi ded r esponsi ve
17 t o t he r equest f or pol i ci es and pr ocedur es?18 A. That i s cor r ect .
19 Q. And 7. 3, what ar e you r ef er r i ng t o when you
20 r ef er ence 7. 3?
21 A. That i s al s o onl i ne. That i s par t of our
22 P&P, and i t r el at es t o medi a r el at i ons .
23 Q. So t he P&P, pol i ci es and pr ocedur es f or t he
24 Publ i c I nf or mat i on Of f i ce medi a woul d be ei t her f ound
25 i n Exhi bi t 1 or Sect i on 7. 3, whi ch i s al so f ound on
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1 t he websi t e?
2 A. Cor rect .
3 Q. Any ot her i nf or mat i on t hat woul d be i ncl uded
4 as pol i ci es and pr ocedur es, ot her t han t hose t wo5 r esour ces we j ust named?
6 A. 7. 3 i s t he of f i ci al document .
7 Q. 7. 3 i s t he of f i ci al document ?
8 A. Cor rect .
9 Q. And t hen t he medi a gui de, whi ch i s
10 Exhi bi t 1, i s sor t of a user - f r i endl y websi t e summar y
11 of 7. 3. I s t hat f ai r ?
12 A. That i s f ai r .
13 ( Exhi bi t 2 was mar ked f or i dent i f i cat i on by
14 t he cour t r epor t er . )
15 BY MS. BAI RD:
16 Q. I f I coul d have t hi s mar ked as Exhi bi t 2.
17 And you' r e goi ng t o have t o gi ve me a second now18 because I ' ve got t wo ot her copi es hi dden somewher e i n
19 my st apl es i n my document s her e.
20 Ms . Cal dwel l , i f I coul d j ust t ake t hat f r om you f or a
21 mi nut e.
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. There' s one par t i cul ar pl ace I want t o - - I
24 t hi nk I can do i t wi t hout r el yi ng on - - we j us t
25 r ef er r ed t o Sect i on D of Exhi bi t 2. Fi r s t of al l ,
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1 ar e you f ami l i ar i n your capaci t y as the publ i c
2 i nf or mat i on of f i cer wi t h 409. 5?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Sect i on 409. 5?5 A. Yes.
6 Q. And di r ecti ng your at t ent i on t o Subsecti on D
7 of 409. 5 wher e i t r ef er ences member s of t he news
8 medi a. Do you see t hat ?
9 A. Sect i on D?
10 Q. Yes.
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. I s t he pr ot ocol - - l et me ask i t t hi s way.
13 I s i t t he pr ot ocol of t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s
14 Depar t ment t hat t he medi a r ef er enced i n Subsect i on D
15 of 409. 5 i ncl udes onl y t hose i ndi vi dual s or
16 or gani zat i ons who have been cr edent i al ed by l aw
17 enf or cement agenci es?18 A. Or t hose who pur por t t o be medi a.
19 Q. Does t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s
20 Depar t ment r ecogni ze t hose who pur por t t o be medi a as
21 t he medi a i f t hey don' t have credent i al s i ssued by l aw
22 enf or cement agency?
23 MR. CHAPI N: Obj ect as vague.
24 BY MS. BAI RD:
25 Q. Okay. I got t o f i gur e out what you meant by
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1 "pur por t t o be medi a. " Fr om my per spect i ve, t he wor d
2 "pur por t " means somebody cl ai ms somet hi ng but i t ' s not
3 r eal l y t r ue. I don' t know i f t hat ' s what you meant or
4 not . I ' m goi ng t o t r y t o ask you quest i ons t o t r y t o5 f i gur e t hat out .
6 Exhi bi t 2, Subsect i on D of 409. 5 r ef er ences news medi a.
7 Do you see t hat ?
8 A. I t says: " Not hi ng i n t hi s sect i on shal l
9 pr event a dul y aut hor i zed r epr esent at i ve of any news
10 ser vi ce, newspaper , or r adi o or t el evi s i on s tat i on or
11 net wor k f r om ent er i ng t he ar eas cl osed pur suant t o
12 t hi s sect i on. "
13 Q. And t hose cat egor i es t hat you j ust r ead f r om
14 Subsect i on D of 409. 5, my quest i on i s : I s i t t he
15 pr ot ocol of t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment
16 t o onl y r ecogni ze t hose r ef er enced i n Subsect i on D i f
17 t hey have medi a cr edent i al s i ssued by l aw enf or cement18 agency?
19 A. I t hi nk I under st and what you mean, but I ' m
20 not sur e i f I ' m cl ear st i l l .
21 Q. We need t o have anot her copy of t hat . I
22 have t o ei t her f i nd mi ne or get anot her copy.
23 MR. CHAPI N: You want t o t ake a t en- mi nut e
24 br eak?
25 MS. BAI RD: Yeah.
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1 ( Recess t aken. )
2 BY MS. BAI RD:
3 Q. Ms. Cal dwel l , I t hi nk you have Exhi bi t 1 and
4 Exhi bi t 2 i n f r ont of you.5 A. Cor rect .
6 Q. And i f I coul d di r ect your at t ent i on t o
7 page 8 of Exhi bi t 1.
8 A. Cor rect .
9 Q. To t he l ast sent ence on page 8 wher e i t
10 st at es: "Absent of f i ci al gover nment medi a
11 credent i al s, access pur suant t o 409. 5 penal code wi l l
12 be gr ant ed on a case- by- case basi s upon pr esent at i on
13 of i nf or mat i on compl yi ng wi t h 409. 5 penal code. "
14 Okay. So does t he San Di ego Count y
15 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment have a pol i cy or pr ocedur e f or
16 det er mi ni ng, on a case- by- case basi s , i f access wi l l
17 be gr ant ed pur suant t o 409. 5?18 A. I woul d have t o l ook at t he pol i cy and see
19 i t , but i t woul d r equi r e t he cur r ent val i d San Di ego
20 Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a credent i al .
21 Q. Now, do you agr ee t hat t he sent ence I j ust
22 r ead on page 8 of Exhi bi t 1 t hat begi ns wi t h: " Absent
23 of f i ci al gover nment medi a cr edent i al s"?
24 A. What was your quest i on wi t h t hat ? I ' m
25 sor r y.
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1 Q. Do you agr ee wi t h t he f i r s t par t of t he l as t
2 sent ence on page 8 of Exhi bi t 1 t hat begi ns wi t h:
3 "Absent of f i ci al gover nment medi a credent i al s"?
4 A. Yes , I woul d agr ee wi t h t hi s sent ence.5 Q. And do you agr ee t hat woul d mean someone
6 woul d not have t he val i d San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment
7 i s sued medi a cr edent i al s ?
8 A. Your quest i on agai n i s?
9 Q. Do you agr ee t hat i f someone i s absent
10 of f i ci al gover nment medi a credent i al s, t hen t hey woul d
11 not have t he val i d San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued
12 medi a cr edent i al s?
13 A. Cor r ect .
14 Q. That l ast sent ence on page 8 of Exhi bi t 1
15 i s ref er r i ng t o a per son who i s absent of f i ci al
16 gover nment medi a cr edent i al s. And my quest i on i s t o
17 you: What pol i ci es or pr ocedur es det er mi ne, on a18 case- by- case basi s, when someone who doesn' t have t he
19 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a cr edent i al s
20 can be gr ant ed access under 409. 5?
21 A. These det er mi nat i ons we' r e t al ki ng about ,
22 medi a access at di sast er scenes. So t hese
23 det er mi nat i ons ar e made by t he f r ont - l i ne deput i es at
24 t he scene.
25 Q. So t he f r ont - l i ne deput i es have t he
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1 di scr et i on t o gr ant , on a case- by- case bas i s , access
2 t o di sast er scenes, even t hough an i ndi vi dual does not
3 have t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a
4 cr edent i al s?5 A. As i t ' s wr i t t en, "on a case- by- case bas i s ,
6 upon pr esent at i on of i nf or mat i on compl yi ng wi t h
7 409. 5P. C. "
8 Q. And what i nf or mat i on woul d compl y wi t h
9 409. 5P. C. t o al l ow access t o someone who di dn' t have
10 medi a credent i al s i ssued by t he San Di ego Pol i ce
11 Depar t ment ?
12 A. Agai n, t hat ' s not made by me. I ' m not at
13 t he scene gener al l y. I ' m not at t he scene of a
14 di sast er . I ' m somewher e el se. So t hese ar e deput i es
15 maki ng t hat deci si on. But I can opi ne f or you t hat
16 woul d be someone, say, f r om t he Los Angel es ar ea t hat
17 has NBC or maj or net wor k cr edent i al s. And t hey mi ght18 make t hat det er mi nat i on on a case- by- case basi s wher e
19 t hey woul d be gr ant ed access.
20 Q. Even t hough t hi s NBC or maj or net wor k
21 i ndi vi dual or agency di dn' t have a val i d San Di ego
22 Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a credent i al , or any
23 gover nment cr edent i al , on a case- by- case basi s t hey
24 may be al l owed i nt o, I t hi nk you sai d i t , a di sas ter
25 scene?
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1 A. That mi ght be t he case.
2 Q. Now, do you agr ee t hat 409. 5 doesn' t j ust
3 deal wi t h di sast er s?
4 A. Cor rect .5 Q. I t al so deal s wi t h acci dent s?
6 MR. CHAPI N: Obj ect i on. Quest i on i s cal l i ng
7 f or a l egal opi ni on and concl us i on.
8 BY MS. BAI RD:
9 Q. Okay. Fai r enough. For t he of f i cer s out
10 actual l y at t he scenes, what t r ai ni ng do t hey r ecei ve,
11 i f you know, r egar di ng medi a access t o acci dent scenes
12 or di sast er ar eas?
13 A. The medi a t r ai ni ng done i n t he academy i s
14 conduct ed by t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment .
15 Q. Okay. So t he deput i es wi t h t he San Di ego
16 Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment at t end t he San Di ego
17 Pol i ce Depar t ment academy?18 A. I t ' s not t he pol i ce depar t ment academy.
19 I t ' s t he Regi onal Law Enf or cement Academy at Mi r amar
20 Col l ege. And t he speci f i c t r ai ni ng r egar di ng medi a i s
21 conduct ed by t he PI O f or t he San Di ego Pol i ce
22 Depar t ment . I don' t conduct that t r ai ni ng, so I don' t
23 know what i s gi ven.
24 Q. So t he publ i c i nf or mat i on of f i cer f or t he
25 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment i s t he one t asked wi t h
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1 t r ai ni ng t he of f i cer s at t he r egi onal academy?
2 A. On t he bl ock of medi a, cor r ect .
3 Q. On t he bl ock of medi a. And do you have any
4 i dea what t hat t r ai ni ng ent ai l s?5 A. I do not .
6 Q. Have you ever seen a t r ai ni ng manual ?
7 A. I have not .
8 Q. Have you ever di scussed wi t h any PI O at t he
9 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment about what t r ai ni ng t hey
10 gi ve at t he r egi onal academy?
11 A. I have not .
12 Q. Have you ever gone and sat i n on any of t he
13 t r ai ni ng your sel f t hat ' s gi ven at t he r egi onal
14 academy?
15 A. I have not .
16 Q. Si t t i ng her e t oday, you have no i dea how
17 deput i es wi t h t he San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s18 Depar t ment ar e t r ai ned wi t h r egar d t o medi a?
19 A. I do not si t i n on t he t r ai ni ng, so I do not
20 know.
21 Q. Do any deput i es wi t h t he San Di ego - - when I
22 say deput i es, I don' t want t o get t he l anguage
23 i ncor r ect . I ' m r ef er r i ng t o swor n of f i cer s .
24 A. Deput i es, yes.
25 Q. Have any deput i es wi t h t he San Di ego Count y
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1 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment come t o you wi t h quest i ons about
2 handl i ng t he medi a out i n t he f i el d or at scenes?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Ar e you abl e t o r ecal l exact l y how many5 t i mes?
6 A. Many t i mes . I coul dn' t t el l you exact l y how
7 many.
8 Q. So i t ' s happened on a number of occasi ons,
9 so many t hat you can' t si t t her e and r ecal l how many?
10 A. Fr equent l y, yes.
11 Q. Do you have a pr ot ocol f or r espondi ng t o
12 t hei r quest i ons?
13 A. Depends on t he quest i on t hey ask, but I do
14 t he best t o answer t o t he best of my abi l i t y.
15 Q. Do you ever r ef er t hem t o t he publ i c
16 i nf or mat i on of f i cer at t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment
17 t o ask quest i ons?18 A. No.
19 Q. Do t hey ever say t o you - - or has t her e ever
20 been an i nst ance wher e any of t hese i ndi vi dual s have
21 sai d t o you, wel l , t hat ' s not how we wer e t r ai ned at
22 t he r egi onal academy by t he publ i c i nf or mat i on of f i cer
23 at t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
24 A. No.
25 Q. So do you have any i dea i f what you' r e
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1 r espondi ng t o t he deput y' s quest i ons wi t h i s
2 consi st ent wi t h how deput i es ar e bei ng t r ai ned at t he
3 regi onal academy?
4 A. I ' m sor r y. One more t i me.5 Q. I s i t f ai r t o say t hat i n some of t he
6 i nst ances wher e t he deput i es have asked you quest i ons
7 about handl i ng t he medi a i n t he f i el d, you' ve
8 r esponded t o t hem?
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. You' ve at t empt ed t o answer t hei r quest i ons?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. When you' ve done t hat , do you have any i dea
13 i f what you' r e t el l i ng t hem i s cons i s tent wi t h how
14 t hey wer e t r ai ned at t he r egi onal academy by t he PI O
15 f or t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment ?
16 A. I t ' s pr et t y st r ai ght f or war d. I bel i eve
17 i t ' s i n l i ne.18 Q. And what gi ves you t hat bel i ef ?
19 A. Because we oper at e at scenes i n t he same
20 way.
21 Q. The San Di ego Count y Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment
22 and t he San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment oper at es t he same
23 way?
24 A. That ' s been my obser vat i on.
25 Q. Have you ever engaged i n any pr esent at i ons
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1 or t r ai ni ng of deput i es wi t h t he San Di ego Count y
2 Sher i f f ' s Depar t ment r egar di ng handl i ng t he medi a out
3 i n t he f i el d?
4 A. Yes, I have.5 Q. Do t hose t r ai ni ngs occur on a schedul ed
6 basi s?
7 A. I bel i eve so.
8 Q. Ar e t hey schedul ed i n t er ms of deput i es
9 recei ve t he t rai ni ng at var i ous mi l epos t s i n t hei r
10 car eer , or do you schedul e t he t r ai ni ng once a year ?
11 What ' s t he f r equency of t he t r ai ni ng?
12 A. I don' t schedul e t he t rai ni ng. The t r ai ni ng
13 uni t does t hat . And t hey cal l me and ask i f I woul d
14 speak.
15 Q. How of t en has t hat occur r ed i n t he past t en
16 year s?
17 A. I don' t have a l i st , but i t happens , I woul d18 est i mat e, t wo t o t hr ee t i mes .
19 Let me back up. Maybe one t o t wo - - once or
20 t wi ce a year. And t he f i r s t t i me I f ound t hat I di d
21 t r ai ni ng was i n 2008.
22 Q. So i t sounds l i ke maybe 15 or 16 t i mes
23 you' ve done t he t r ai ni ng?
24 A. Yes.
25 Q. And has t he t r ai ni ng been t he same f r om 2008
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1 t o now, or have you been asked t o addr ess di f f er ent
2 t hi ngs?
3 A. They' r e new si t uat i ons t hat come up, new
4 dynami cs t hat ar i se l ocal l y and nat i onal l y, so I adapt5 t he t r ai ni ng t o t hat . I al so adapt t he t r ai ni ng t o
6 t he audi ence.
7 Q. I s t he audi ence compr i sed of deput i es?
8 A. Not al ways.
9 Q. And who el se may at t end?
10 A. I have conduct ed t r ai ni ng at t he academy f or
11 new det ent i ons deput i es. I have conduct ed t r ai ni ng at
12 Ri dgehaven, our admi ni st r at i ve headquar t er s, f or bot h
13 swor n and pr of essi onal s taf f , new super vi sor s . I ' ve
14 pr ovi ded t r ai ni ng f or new ser geant s. And I have been
15 asked t o pr ovi de t r ai ni ng on medi a t o t he r egi onal
16 t r ai ni ng cent er her e i n San Di ego whi ch t r ai ns new
17 l i eut enant s f rom t hroughout t he s tat e.18 Q. The r egi onal t r ai ni ng cent er t hat t r ai ns new
19 l i eut enant s t hr oughout t he s tat e, i s that di f f er ent
20 f r om t he r egi onal academy t hat we t al ked about t hat
21 t r ai ns new of f i cer s?
22 A. Yes.
23 Q. Goi ng back t o Exhi bi t 1 on page 8, t he medi a
24 gui de, has any of t he t r ai ni ng t hat you' ve pr ovi ded
25 addr ess t he di scr et i on t hat on- scene of f i cer s have t o
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1 gr ant , on a case- by- case basi s, access t o scenes, even
2 t hough t hey don' t have of f i ci al gover nment medi a
3 cr edent i al s?
4 A. Not speci f i cal l y, t o my knowl edge.5 Q. Has i t addres sed i t per i pher al l y?
6 A. Maybe per i pheral l y.
7 Q. Si t t i ng her e t oday, what do you r ecal l about
8 even per i pher al r ef er ences you' ve made t o t hat
9 di scr et i on?
10 A. Based on t he f act t hat we' ve had t wo ver y
11 l ar ge wi l df i r es her e, 2003, 2007, we t r ai n f or t hat .
12 And we ar e f ami l i ar wi t h t hese di sast er scenes, and
13 t he deput i es and of f i cer s ar ound t he count y ar e. And
14 so we di scuss gr ant i ng access t o t he medi a ver sus
15 ci vi l i ans.
16 Q. When you say t he medi a, agai n, ar e you
17 r ef er r i ng t o onl y t hose who have San Di ego Pol i ce18 Depar t ment i ssued medi a cr edent i al s or ot her l aw
19 enf or cement credent i al s?
20 A. Wel l , agai n, I ' m not on t he f r ont scenes of
21 a di sast er . And t he deput i es, dependi ng on wher e t hey
22 ar e, woul d pr obabl y al l ow peopl e t hr ough t hat don' t
23 al ways have t he gover nment - i ssued or t he l ar gel y
24 r ecogni zed cr edent i al .
25 Q. Have you pr ovi ded any t r ai ni ng wi t h r egar d
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1 t o a st andar d f or who you al l ow i n t o i nst ances l i ke
2 t he wi l df i r es i n 2003 and 2007 who di dn' t have t he
3 San Di ego Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a cr edent i al s?
4 A. I don' t r ecal l t hat speci f i cal l y, no.5 Q. Wel l , s i t t i ng her e t oday, do you have i n
6 your mi nd a st andar d of who woul d be l et i nt o, f or
7 exampl e, i nci dent s such as t he 2003 and 2007
8 wi l df i r es, even t hough t hey di dn' t have t he San Di ego
9 Pol i ce Depar t ment i ssued medi a credent i al s?
10 A. Wel l , agai n, i t s ays i t ' s gr ant ed on a
11 case- by- case basi s, absent t he of f i ci al gover nment
12 medi a credent i al s. And t hat